“I mean, I could be working at a fucking dry cleaners, you know what I mean?”
Ultraísta aren’t too concerned with the genre makeup of their songs, or fitting into a niche, or defining themselves at all, really. Their name comes from a term used to describe artists who were part of the Ultraist literary movement in Spain in the early 20th century, though it’s not really the aesthetics of the ultraist movement the band reflects. Ultraísta conjures an image, a bright picture of “color and vibration”, and it also reflects a group of artists who feel connected to any aesthetic, really. For Ultraísta, their common ground is simple: They believe in music as a visual creation, and have a voracious desire to create.
Nigel Godrich, who counts Paul McCartney, Beck, Pavement, Air, and, most famously, Radiohead among many of the artists he’s produced over the years, had always wanted to expand the studio experiments he did over the years with Atoms for Peace drummer and longtime friend Joey Waronker. The two enlisted Laura Bettinson, a recent graduate from the art school at Goldsmiths College, who until she met Godrich and Waronker at her show, was creating her own music under the moniker Dimbleby & Capper. The three synched up and created something singular and honest from three people just being on the same page. It was providence, really, that the three ended up making something like this.
Godrich and Bettinson talked with us from Godrich’s studio in London — the break room, to be specific, a massive area that I thought must have been the control room or the studio itself from what I could make out from our video-chat conversation — about the genesis of the Ultraísta, what it’s like to work with three producers on a project, how synesthesia can quantify the seemingly unquantifiable, and how getting drunk with strobe lights can inspire a whole visual swatch book to accompany each song.
Since starting In The Basement, has that changed how you work with bands in the studio?
Nigel Godrich: No it actually hasn’t changed it at all, really. What it’s done is it’s introduced me to some new friends and that has been great, and I’ve been exposed to some new bands. But actually the whole idea for In The Basement was the other way around: I feel like when working in the studio I find it very easy to get a good sound very quickly, and I always sort of lament that not happening on TV, like it’s sort of upsetting to me when I watch bad music television. If anything, it has reaffirmed my suspicion that bands just sound better in the studio – it sounds very good very quickly. And you can spend a lot of time working on something as it gradually sounds worse and worse. And it captures something very visceral very quick – and on television as well.
How did you three end up meeting to collaborate on this project?
Laura Bettinson: We met about three years ago, the guys basically got in touch with me through a mutual friend. I came and met Nigel, we hung out for a bit, and then I went to meet Joey [Waronker] in L.A.
Godrich: [Laughs.]She’s trying to make it sound like it was that simple, like nothing happened. [Joey and I] have known each other for a long time, because we met with Beck, because Joey played with Beck. And when I first went to LA and worked as a young whippersnapper, I ended up making Mutations which was this uber crazy experience — like a two week album. It was like walking into this golden land where every single piece of equipment in this incredible studio was the best thing– and this was the best drummer I’ve ever recorded– which was Joey – it was this incredible standard of everything.
So Joey and I have had a long relationship, and we became very good friends over the years and had sort of always made music and fucked around in the studio, and so we decided that we could actually focus for a minute and do something interesting.We listened to a lot of Afrobeat and listened to a lot of groove-based electronic stuff, and thought about our favorite bands, and how it was always this focused, groove-based stuff. You know, the best of Talking Heads, and White Rabbit sort of high-class pop music but done in a very artistic way. So, we made some tracks that just sat around for a while until it occurred to us that we should probably explore some sort of extension as to where it could go.
In my head, I was trying to find someone who was creative and artistic who was not necessarily a musician because the idea of getting someone from a another art form was very interesting. It’s very, very hard to find a musician who has not already decided that they’re not going to be the next singer-songwriter. Something that I’m not into anyway
We flyered around art colleges in London and went to some shows and it was good entertainment but absolutely fucking useless as far as we were concerned. She was performing on her own, but she had a loop station, just working with very simple beats and just layering her voice, and it was a very obvious thing that this would work with what we had done. And we talked to her and she was like “…Ok?” [Laughs.] But then we got on really well, and that was great. But at the end of the day it’s about people’s attitudes. We meet aesthetically, I think we all do.
How often does it come down to the fact that you could just share a beer with someone?
Godrich:The point is, you’re not going to spend a day in a contained space with an asshole. You’re not. And obviously there’s a lot more to it than that. Singularly, I think if people really share a sort of intention and vision, they will get on because you’re not fighting. We’re not at odds. We’ve got a reason to be here and essentially it’s just the entertainment and the fun of being able to do this – it’s a luxury, really. I mean I could be working at a fucking dry cleaners, you know what I mean?
Ha, yes. We all could be. Now, when you write these lyrics there’s a lot of non-traditional choruses and verse structure – does that come from you or does that come from artists you’re inspired by?
Bettinson: Basically for this project, we did a lot of the lyrics collaboratively. The lyrics essentially came from the melodies I was singing in the first place. I would mumble some stuff in, and then a couple of words that stuck out as a starting point, and then build and refine things from there. It was a different process – I’ve never written lyrics collaboratively and what was really good for me actually, for this project, because it was a different new challenge, and it made for better lyrics in the end.
Godrich: It was a bit of a book club.
Bettinson: We kind of wanted to keep them abstract and cut up, which was stuff that I had done at college anyway. Like, you’d pick up a book and just find something, and just find some inspiration to start from. And I think we all quite like doing it that way.
Godrich: I mean I think it’s true to say that what the great skill and the thing that is fun about what you do when you’re making anything is you’re trying to outdo your physical entity, trying to make something that is beyond your conception, really. And that you have to find a method and a way of creating stuff, and then you get a bit of distance, and you have an opinion about what you’ve done, and then you look at it, and you edit it.
So we’ve got three editors, and three people who can create stuff – it’s like a little kind of basket weaving workshop. But there’s a point that happens where there is a moment of focus where things suddenly, mysteriously evolve a relevance or evolve some sort of meaning, and those are the thing you naturally tend towards, and you’ll naturally go to them. So at the end of the day you have something that does have a resonance for her and does have a resonance for me and then you ask us, “How do you make your lyrics,” and the answer is: “I don’t know”
Bettinson: Yeah it just sort of happens.
Godrich: That works for music too—this is what’s been sort of interesting to me. These sort of rules of creation, those kind of ways of making things. Different things that I’d usually be doing. I’m not a lyric writer, naturally.
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Have you collaborated with other artists with their lyrics? Or talked about with bands to work in a collaborative sense?
Godrich: I don’t think it’s a good idea to go in to a situation and suggest lyrics to a songwriter because that’s not what we’re here for. But I have an opinion and I am an editor. You know, when Thom [Yorke] and I work, and he turns around to me and goes “Hmmm, ‘yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon?’ I can’t say that,” and I’m like, “No, fucking say that!” So that’s how that happens.
Is it harder for you now that you’re apart of this project to also be an editor for it?
Godrich: Interestingly enough, no. It takes longer to edit yourself, but there are other people here who have an opinion and edit as well. It works both ways. But everything is personal – it’s no more or less personal, really. There’s not some sort of agenda or long-winded intention I had to sort of “start a band”, it’s a big career move on my part it was just coincidence. It was just what happened in a great way. I want to try everything, really – I mean, within the legal limits. But I am sort of turned on by just making things. After having done all this music, it’s sort of like “What should we do now?” “Well, let’s make videos!” And it’s hilarious amateur-hour stuff. But I love doing video stuff. Laura’s amazing at it – she’s a great person to work with visually.
And you said that there’s a lot of influence with visual art with Ultraísta, and I can see how that would work with the videos and the graphic aesthetic of the band, but has that influenced the actual music?
Godrich: Yeah, it’s a direct analogy. When we talked about the project and what it is — the name Ultraísta conjures of vibration and colorful – when we made the videos, it was sort a manifestation of how I saw it would look like. Those things are totally in parallel. Using the same bit of your brain that you make music to make pictures – that’s what we all do. I mean, I literally see sound.
You have synesthesia?
Godrich:Yeah, I definitely do. I think we all do but just don’t realize it. Even from a technical point of view when you’re working with a sound and changing how it sounds tonally, it’s a color, and it’s a texture, and I see it, and that’s how I quantify what I’m doing, is like, how I’m affecting that color, and that texture. So when something is vibrating and energetic and repetitive as well – repetition is a color. That’s just the way that I work, consciously I know I understand that.
Do you plan on using visual elements live? By combining these elements into your performance?
Bettinson: That’s going to be a really crucial part of it, actually. We’re lucky to be able to have done so much content, it only took us a couple of weeks to do all these videos. We have a video for almost every song on the album, so we have loads and loads of content, and then we can bring on people to help with the live thing, to help with it, to take the stuff we’ve made and make it work in a larger context
Godrich: It’s really, really important, because that whole thing — we have our own opinion about everything, you know? So, my nightmare is suddenly making something and then going, “Okay let’s bring in this guy to do visuals,” and it’s like that makes me really uncomfortable. So what actually happened was, because we sat around, got drunk, and fucked around with strobe lights, we have this image which goes with all the music, so that’s the starting point for the visuals in the show.
Will it be more like projections?
Godrich: Yeah, and it works really well. That’s what we talked about using just a projector for our lights. Hopefully we’ll know soon of that works out!
The idea of creating something and this desire to create all the time, are you ever concerned with how new or different it is or do you try to focus on what is natural in your life, and how do you balance those two ideas as people who are aware of how they can conflict?
Godrich: For me, the only thing you can do is respond to how you feel, because if you try to do anything beyond that, you just won’t do it. Why would I on earth impose new music – I mean you’re right. Fuck that. I’m lucky enough to be able to do this, and it’s fine, I don’t require you to like it. Your reason for doing something has to be your own, that’s the only thing it can be. Obviously, you know, I’m inspired by new things, I react to new things, so I will tend to try and do things that I feel are new, but they may not be new to anyone else.
Someone will say “Ahh, you’re really into such-and such” and I’ll say “I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about” and I feel fine about that, I’m justified, I know I didn’t know what they’re talking about and they can look down their nose at me and –whatever. It just doesn’t matter. I don’t care. I like to be a nice person, and be a part of society and get on with everyone, but I really don’t fucking care if people don’t like it. That’s fine. It’s okay. It’s for you to appreciate if you want, but it’s not a requirement of mine if you do.
Bettinson: Someone just asked me before, about topline writing, and writing to a brief – this is just the complete kind of opposite of that, and as a result so much more enjoyable and genuine and artistic and where I personally want to be forever, really. I think yeah, just what Nigel said. If it doesn’t feel, it’s not going to come out right, and you’re not going to enjoy listening to it in the future if your intention isn’t right behind it.
Godrich: It’s funny, I feel like when you’re prescribed a project, you can sort of do that as a job, but it’s not possible to seek someone else’s reaction from your own heart. You can’t do that, it just won’t work.
Do you have plans to continue touring after these initial dates?
Godrich: These dates probably fall under promotion for the record, and beyond that is a conversation that hasn’t happened yet
Bettinson: Yeah, we’ll see what time allows.
Godrich: I mean we’ve done a lot of fucking preperation, so if we don’t do anything more after this… I mean we have a lot of music as a result of working for three years on stuff. There’ll be more stuff …
Everything has a window in time. Things come to fruition, and at a certain point you will have to say “that’s it.” And it has a flavor that we’re not even aware of, and you get to see it, but we don’t because we’re too close to it. But we do have a sort of coherence in a timeframe that is there and written in stone. Whatever happens next is just another thing. This is kind of neat it came to be just enough stuff – it’s not a long album, but it’s substantial. You catch a butterfly in a net, and it’s like “You got it.” Don’t try to overwork things.
Their debut album Ultraísta is out tomorrow in the U.S. on Temporary Residence, and will head out on tour in October.