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What if Weezer’s Pinkerton was a major success in 1996?

on February 07, 2014, 12:00am
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“You’re traveling through another history, a history not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That’s the signpost up ahead — your next stop, Alternate History X.”

Michael Roffman (MR): In 1996, Weezer followed up its 1994 self-titled debut with what many argue to be a far superior album: Pinkerton. Although it’s now hailed as the band’s crowning, emotional opus, the album initially fell way below expectations, both commercially and critically. I’ve always been baffled by this, considering that so much of the album pairs up with the blue tracks. Couple “Getchoo” and “Why Bother?” next to “My Name is Jonas” and “In the Garage” and you’d swear they were of the same kin. Of course, they were, but you get the point.

Regardless, what happened happened: The album was a disappointment upon release, sinking Rivers Cuomo into a weighty depression, which eventually led to bassist Matt Sharp’s departure, and a weird, unnecessary schism between fans. But let’s suppose none of that happened. What if Pinkerton became the immediate classic it is today? What would Weezer have been? What opportunities might they have missed? How would that success have affected Cuomo’s songwriting for future albums? Do you think Sharp would have bailed?

Let’s visit this alternate history, eh?

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Justin Gerber (JG): There is little doubt that Cuomo’s content, musically and lyrically, would have gone down a completely different trajectory. I don’t believe there would have been such a lengthy break in between albums (five years passed between Pinkerton and “The Green Album”). Instead of retreating into a land of isolation, as Cuomo did post-Pinkerton, he would have been as prolific then as he was throughout aughts. He’d have felt encouraged by the reaction of the buying public, who would have embraced him for wearing his heart on his sleeve and going dark. Instead, “The Green Album” is what we received in 2001: a response to the rejection Cuomo received in the mid-‘90s. He was embarrassed by Pinkerton, which took too long to get the love it deserved.

Imagine if they went on that aforementioned prolific streak. Maybe Sharp would have stayed with the band, with a couple songs of his own featured on future Weezer records. It isn’t unheard of, just look at “The Red Album”, which features a song from each member of the band (all were awful, but that topic’s for another day). Cuomo was open to collaborating with Sharp, co-penning “My Head is in the Sun” on The Rentals’ second LP. These are rather optimistic points of view, of course, which probably would have sacrificed some solid songs on future Weezer records in our present-and-very-real reality. What darker events may have transpired if Pinkerton was a hit, gentlemen?

weezerthailand What if Weezers Pinkerton was a major success in 1996?Nick Freed (NF): I feel like Pinkerton‘s excellence does come from Cuomo’s emotional openness. That’s what made him most embarrassed about that album. He stated that it was like someone reading this personal journals over and over again. Had the album been better received upon release, he definitely wouldn’t have been as embarrassed by the lyrical content. I agree, Mike, that the songs pair so well with Blue Album. Those songs you mentioned from that album are an insight into Cuomo’s brains; although not as deep an insight as songs on Pinkerton. It was a shift for both Cuomo and the band toward a heavier, almost angry, sound. I feel like they would’ve kept going that way instead of just dropping any sort of edge and making the abysmal Green Album.

One positive thing that would’ve come would be, hopefully, less of a movement in the screamo world. Bands in that genre do name drop Pinkerton as a heavy influence on them, but with Weezer disappearing for five years, that music went uncheck. Cuomo and company could’ve kept producing emotional, slightly angry music with an upbeat vibe, and bands could’ve followed suit. Would this have influenced Warped Tour into a more dominant, less cringe worthy enterprise? I’m not sure, but I definitely think a post-Pinkerton album that sounded more like Pinkerton could’ve been a much needed lightening up of the emo scene.

As far as Matt Sharp, I think he still would’ve eventually left. I think a post-Pinkerton popularity could’ve spawned a more popular Rentals. Cuomo would’ve kept on his moody track, and Sharp would’ve grown tired of the darkness and wanted something more “My Name is Jonas” or “Surf Wax America”.

MR: What about all the leftover content from the Pinkerton sessions? Songs from the Black Hole? I’d imagine upon the success, Cuomo would have dusted off a few of the demos there for whatever followup they would have aimed for. A part of me feels like they still would have waited awhile to follow up Pinkerton, if only because it was such an emotional experience for Cuomo. However, I’m going to speculate that he wouldn’t have gone the self-titled/colored route, as I feel “The Green Album” was titled and labeled as such to re-direct fans to what, at the time, many considered to be their “glory day.”

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Nick, I think the screamo angle fits in with Justin addressing the darker elements to come from Pinkerton’s success. Could you imagine the screamo movement happening earlier? I mean, there’s little to really connect the album’s influence with that scene, save for quotes and comments from various artists, but if it had been directly inspirational… well, the late ’90s might have been a tad different. Personally, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Out of all the mainstream releases at the time, Pinkerton comes off looking like a rarity. It’s the one album that didn’t pander to its fans with soggy lyrics and polished sounds.

I guess I just find it hard to find too many negatives with an early success for this LP. Given Weezer’s unfortunate track record post-Pinkerton — and yes, I still love “The Green Album”, Maladroit, and parts of Make Believe, “The Red Album”, Raditude, and Hurley — there’s reason to believe Cuomo shied away from discussing too much of himself and played more of a fictional songwriter. Take the song “Pork and Beans”, for instance. “The Red Album” single is awash in dated references and feels so “in the moment” that it’s pretty useless half a decade later. And yet, any song off Pinkerton rings bright and honest today.

I think any early success would have nixed that, almost proving to Cuomo that true songwriting can exist in a mainstream platform. I guess that’s the real problem, though. Cuomo started in the spotlight and just couldn’t handle not being there, and that showmanship is something that’s, admittedly, plagued their live shows over the last decade.

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NF: Yeah that’s what I’m saying…I think. Pinkerton didn’t pander, it was raw, it was rough. We wouldn’t have had, god I hope we wouldn’t have had, bands like Fall Out Boy and Panic! at the Disco writing lyrics that were oh-so-fucking-clever. I definitely agree that it would’ve helped Cuomo cement the idea of a celebrated, true songwriter.

I don’t know that I can find too many negatives, either. I kind of view those post-Pinkerton albums as so incredibly dated. I felt like they were within months of their release. Cuomo became so burned by the Pinkerton release, that he just gave up and started writing hooks under nonsense. Success would’ve helped him avoid that burn out, at least a little I think. Then maybe we could’ve finally seen a damn Weezer live show where the band moved on stage.

JG: I nearly forgot this: With all the imagined-success in a post-Pinkerton universe, Cuomo likely wouldn’t have had time to attend Harvard. Who are we to deny a man his education, imagined or otherwise?!

MR: Not only Harvard, but one has to imagine his marriage wouldn’t have happened so soon, right?

JG: These twists and turns mirror that of Philip Roth’s The Plot Against America, trading out Lindbergh winning the 1940 election with Cuomo’s marriage and education, of course.

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Tyson Hinton
March 1, 2014 at 6:55 pm

I was a little young when Blue came out in 94 (I was 9) but I loved Undone enough that It was one of my first cds and I don’t remember having much of a clue about the lyrical content of Pinkerton upon it’s initial release. The Green album at least to a high schooler like me at the time of it’s release sounded much like the Blue album. The only thing I recall myself or any friends complaining about was its length. If I remember correctly it would clock in at about 28:30 on my old walkman. I don’t care what you or anyone else say but Maladroit was fantastic. It felt like a louder albeit less raw version of Pinkerton. Make Believe again sound wise at least to me made me recall the color albums. It almost seemed like every other album was going to be more experimental. My experience with the Red was with the Bonus tracks version which has the underrated King. 2 of the 4 were throwaways while The Spider was reminiscent of Butterfly. Tracks were hit or miss especially songs by the other band members. Troublemaker and Dreamin were solid tracks and The Greatest Man that Ever Lived was quite frankly one of the coolest tracks released by the group and it’s style was like the second coming of the Abbey Road Medley.

I can’t really defend Raditude of Hurley. I just couldn’t get into either of them in the slightest but Death to False Metal was decent enough though not very memorable. I guess I don’t see the hate Green, Maladroit, Make Believe or Red being reasonable in the minds of fans. I personally see lots of experimentation on a musical level though I too yearn for a Pinkterton type album I do see Maladroit as being similar lyrically in lots of ways

February 20, 2014 at 1:59 am

If you really want to know the gravity of Matt Sharp’s influence on Weezer and their sound, go read Rivers’ Edge. Very informative. It’s not just coincidence when Sharp left that their sound followed.

February 7, 2014 at 9:00 pm

This isn’t my blog I’m going to link to, but this wasn’t your idea you used.

Nick Freed
February 8, 2014 at 1:34 pm

There are a lot of ideas out there that people arrive at in different times. We had a similar idea to that guy, but he took it more toward creating an alternative recording, and we focused more on the band’s in and outs. I can guarantee you that none of us saw that blog post and stole the idea. Totally cool that others are thinking about this stuff though!

Mark Berman
February 7, 2014 at 7:23 pm

I mostly agree with Dan here. Never quite got why their post-Pinkerton output has gotten so much backlash, even if they haven’t quite hit the stone-cold-classic level with an album since then. I can even enjoy Raditude to some extent in a guilty pleasure or ironic kind of way (those hooks are still undeniable). Also I haven’t really been able to word why I weirdly enjoy Rivers’ current persona as much as I do, so thanks for that. And I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s thought of the idea of SFTBH as a musical, which IMO would be awesome. It’s unlikely at this point, but it’d be great if in the future they rerecorded those songs & finished the album like it was originally intended.

February 7, 2014 at 8:52 pm

It’s true! There are two schools of thought—both of which we talk about in the article. Those who think Cuomo is being insincere and just puckishly fucking with people (Nick and Mike) and those who think he’s genuinely just being a goofball (me). None of us will ever know what the truth is, but like you said, I just can’t deny the man’s hook-writing skills.

Canaan Lamp
February 7, 2014 at 3:06 pm

What about bassist Mikey Welsh? If Matt Sharp never leaves, what becomes of him and his life? RIP Mikey

I do agree that had Pinkerton been as critically and commercially successful in ’96 as it is so revered now, Weezer would have probably broken up in the mid to late 00’s, only to reunite a few years later and headline Coachella and sporadically release new tunes and tour. They would have been a more active, slightly more popular Pixies.

February 7, 2014 at 4:48 pm

Ooo, good point. That never came up in the conversation. It seemed like he suffered from pretty serious depression and other mental health issues, as well as substance abuse long before he joined the band. Therefore, I don’t think we could tie his death directly to his status in Weezer. Sad to say, I have a feeling it still would have happened down the road. But you never know. Very sad stuff.


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