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PAWS, the band whose show Morrissey attempted to cancel, gives account of last night’s drama

on May 09, 2014, 8:38am

Morrissey has generated quite a few asinine headlines over the years, but last night’s drama at Santa Ana, CA music venue The Observatory might just take the cake. As previously reported, Glasgow-based punk band PAWS and New York indie rockers We Are Scientists were scheduled to perform at the Constellation Room on Thursday night, right around the same time Moz was due to hit stage at The Observatory. The only problem? Both venues are inside the same building.

As PAWS relayed in a since-deleted Facebook message, Morrissey asked the venue to cancel their show, “because he is playing in another room in the same venue and wishes for their to be no other artists performing in his vicinity.” Ultimately, both PAWS and We Are Scientists were able to play after changing their set times. “So everyone can play a full set, tonight’s show will start after Moz’s bedtime,” We Are Scientists wrote on Twitter.

Now, PAWS has shared an account of last night’s events in a lengthy post on their Facebook page. They maintain their claim that Morrissey requested no other live music be heard during his set, meaning their own performance would have to be canceled. According to PAWS, the venue offered to pay the band double their guarantee as compensation.

PAWS continued: “Although all bands in our situation could very much do with the extra money, it didn’t sit right with us that we were essentially, very much literally, being silenced; being bought out, and for reasons that, when explained to us as above, not only seemed trivial but seemed to fit the unfortunate egotistical stereotypes that Morrissey has come to embody in recent years, not least as we had been informed that he has already been noted for cancelling several shows.”

After their initial posting went viral, PAWS said they received a call from the venue saying that Morrissey was threatening to cancel his performance entirely. “The promoter, genuinely upset, told us that there had already been a sizeable six figure sum deposited to Morrissey and if he cancels the show, that will be completely gone and that would be disastrous for the venue, which we were told could potentially go under,” the band explained. “This guy was terrified and genuinely appealed, in light of him potentially ‘losing everything’, that we try to contain the situation, which had escalated as the post went viral.”

PAWS also received a call from Morrissey’s promoter, who maintained that the request for the other show’s cancelation came not from the singer, but rather his “own security.” The promoter allegedly told PAWS that they need to apologize and “set this straight.”

Ultimately, PAWS were able to finagle their way back onto the bill after agreeing to go on once Morrissey’s set was over. However, upon arriving to the venue, they apparently experienced the wrath of Moz’s tour manager: “After thinking that everything was FINALLY sorted, this man started screaming at [the band], practically squaring up to them and trying his hardest to tear us apart for how big this story was getting, doling out blood-curdling screams to the effect of ‘I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!’”

The band concluded, “To feel like you’re being demeaned, disrespected and almost bullied by ANYONE feels terrible but to feel like this is happening and that are hands are tied purely because of the perceived stature of a celebrity, seems utterly ridiculous and frankly, unacceptable.”

Update: A representative for Morrissey said the singer made no such request: “Morrissey had nothing to do with this. As long as there was no sound bleed, Morrissey was completely fine with another show going on inside the same complex.”

Meanwhile, as Pitchfork points, We Are Scientists took a few shots at Morrissey on Twitter.

Below, you can read PAWS’ posting in its entirety.

OK…

So, in light of unexpected media attention, please allow us to explain what happened to us earlier today. It might be a little long, but we appreciate your patience as we feel it needs to be said.

Early this afternoon (Thursday May 8th) as we were travelling from San Francisco to Santa Ana to play a show tonight at Constellation Rooms with We Are Scientists, we received a call from the promoter/venue telling us that Morrissey, who was also due to play a show tonight in the larger room at the venue, had requested that no live music be heard during his set. SO, in order to adhere to curfews, this would mean that we couldn’t play our opening slot as it would clash with Morrissey’s and We Are Scientists’ headline show would be cut short and heavily delayed (until after Morrissey’s show). We were then informed that in respect of this cancellation, we had been offered to be paid double our guarantee for our troubles as per a clause in the contract for the show, but it was also asserted that we didn’t really have a choice in the matter; for example, we didn’t really get any sort of option to try and make the show work, it was just very cut and dry. So in short, we were essentially getting paid not to play.

We were instantly very confused. Many, if not all, bands we have met, played with or seen, have most certainly played a show in a venue with two rooms without incident, much less threat of cancellation. The idea that sound would bleed.. well it’s always seemed apparent that this is a risk if you plan to run/play a venue of this type, but there are usually measures in place to prevent there being any disturbance to either show. We’ve played shows like this quite a few times, so it seemed excessive. We felt almost like we were being bribed – not by the promoter it should be said, but by the show’s production – and for a reason that seemed a little overdramatic.

Although all bands in our situation could very much do with the extra money, it didn’t sit right with us that we were essentially, very much literally, being silenced; being bought out, and for reasons that, when explained to us as above, not only seemed trivial but seemed to fit the unfortunate egotistical stereotypes that Morrissey has come to embody in recent years, not least as we had been informed that he has already been noted for cancelling several shows .

Now, far from wishing to start a cheap fight, we felt outraged, naturally. We felt frustrated, angry, undermined and totally helpless as, to our knowledge, a reason outwith our control was threatening to ruin a (sold-out) show we were really excited about and we didn’t even have a choice. We felt that we would’ve felt dirty taking the money. It didn’t feel right to just be bought out; we would like to think that what we do is worth more that a quick bit of cash, so we decided to fight it. We naturally felt like we wanted to scream it out loud, we felt like it was complete bullshit, and that no one, regardless of their standing as a performer, and associated crew, should be allowed to dictate what goes on with such lack of disregard to the logistics, not to mention the feelings of other people. What’s more, there seemed to be a real blunder in terms of ‘chain of command’ as our slot was officially pulled before we knew about it, before We Are Scientists knew about it, before our booking agents knew. What we ended up getting told seemed more like cold hard fact – you’re not doing it, end of story. This made us even more angry, as it felt very disrespectful.

After sitting on it for a while, we decided to relay the information we’d been given, which we did, as fact, to our fans, through our channels. Whatever else was said in that post was purely driven by the emotional intensity of the situation, but to be fair, at the time, we said what we felt like we wanted to say based on what we got told, which we think is fair enough; although in hindsight, perhaps that may have been misconstrued as some sort of ‘attack’; which it wasn’t, we were just pissed off.

And from here, shit gets fucking crazy.

The post went crazy. We received several calls from lots of different people, perhaps the most important being the promoter for Morrissey’s show. He informed us that – in light of the exponentially-increasing web traffic, there was a possibility that this could shine badly on the entire operation and that if anyone from the Morrissey camp was to see this, there was a very high chance that he could threaten to cancel. This was insane to us. We already weren’t playing, and then there was even the slight possibility that what we wrote could still impact on his show?? That’s insane. We just said what we got told – and to be completely 100% honest, we were only intending to spread the word to ‘our’ fans and friends, because we thought they were the only ones watching. Oh how wrong we were…

The promoter, genuinely upset, told us that there had already been a sizeable six figure sum deposited to Morrissey and if he cancels the show, that will be completely gone and that would be disastrous for the venue, which we were told could potentially go under. This guy was terrified and genuinely appealed, in light of him potentially ‘losing everything’, that we try to contain the situation, which had escalated as the post went viral. In respect of his genuine testimony and in fear that our action would result not just in the cancellation of the show but in the serious financial chaos for the venue and all involved, we felt it was only right to remove the post. At least until the show was over when we could clarify the situation properly.

After hours of calls back and forth in a McDonalds car park at a service station – free wifi – we realised that news sites had picked up on the story and the whole thing went apeshit. Eventually, after much talk, and much back and forth, a few options were brought to our attention and weirdly, after it seeming like a cut and shut case, we eventually, somehow managed to negotiate a slot immediately following Morrissey’s set. This was insane, we thought we were fucked, and then after all that it was just sorted. Whether the Morrissey camp realised it was bullshit, or it was the strength of the attention this whole damn thing was getting, who knows, but eventually it seemed like things might be straightened out. Relieved, we posted that the show was back on.

After this, as more sites started to pick up on it, we got more frantic calls from the promoter for the Morrissey show, telling us that his representatives had flipped and insisted the whole thing was not the actions of Morrissey himself, but that of his own security, and that we ‘need to apologise’ and set this straight. We felt that, regardless of who had actually said this, this was still done by someone in the Morrissey camp, on behalf of the man himself – who, notoriously organised and fully in control, would surely not be entirely unaware of – shedding light on an extremely poor and disrespectful attitude. The fact that this would not only need to be considered by anyone but in fact enforced, suggests a mentality surrounding performance and production that is selfish and unreasonable. To make sure that your show is not impeded by sound pollution IS reasonable, but it’s a purpose-built venue that books double shows all the time, has measures in place to stop such a thing, and to just call the show/slot off, HOURS BEFORE THE GIG, with disregard to the smaller show, felt very petty and unnecessary. Not only that but the fact that there was even the slightest notion that he would actually cancel his OWN show in light of this seemed utterly ridiculous to us. Considering how much this was going to impact on the promoter’s personal financial situation, let alone the venue, allegedly to the point of bankruptcy, we felt this was absurd.

As we hightailed it to Santa Ana, running late now after all this bullshit, we were genuinely concerned for the welfare of the promoter and everyone at the venue. We felt personally insulted and beaten down by bullshit beyond our control, so we stood up for ourselves. We NEVER wanted to cause anyone any trouble, so we were genuinely worried about Morrissey cancelling the show. Thankfully, moments before we arrived, we were informed that the show was most certainly on and that all was well.

However, after we got here, ten minutes before we were about to go onstage, with the show seemingly in full swing and in good health, Phillip and Josh were confronted by Morrissey’s tour manager in our own dressing room. After thinking that everything was FINALLY sorted, this man started screaming at them both, practically squaring up to them and trying his hardest to tear us apart for how big this story was getting, doling out blood-curdling screams to the effect of “I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!” Frankly, beyond being insulting, unreasonable, and to be honest a little hilarious, we simply couldn’t believe that this situation had escalated to this point. Far from a reasonable conversation or settling of differences, this seemed like a ‘telling off’ and to be honest put pretty much everything in context. To feel like you’re being demeaned, disrespected and almost bullied by ANYONE feels terrible but to feel like this is happening and that are hands are tied purely because of the perceived stature of a celebrity, seems utterly ridiculous and frankly, unacceptable.

Pissed off and fired up, we jumped out and did our best to kill it for the 30 mins we had in the lights. We burst ourselves trying to bring it, and after ALL that, we came off beaten, sweaty but elated. In our minds, this is over. Fuck this shit.

Tonight belongs to everyone who came to see us tonight, everyone who waited for HOURS to see We Are Scientists and us; to We Are Scientists themselves who killed it tonight, as always, and totally got our fucking backs! To Brendan, Ian, Jeffrey, and EVERY goddamn person who was down the front, we made it in the end…it was all thanks to you.

Fuck the Grapevine.

We love you all.

Ryan, Joshua and Phillip.

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Anonymous
May 14, 2014 at 11:06 am

By the way, every Smiths and Morrissey fan defending these actions are pretty close to the die-hard supporters I meet in real life. Spoiled, and too ready to step to the defense of an irrelevant musician who acts like an idiot in the face of a long-gone band that Johnny Mar easily helped prop up.

Anonymous
May 14, 2014 at 11:03 am

Selling out an arena in LA should be easy for him, but here in VA he plays 1500 person venues just like anybody else. He is a star in large cities, but everywhere else people could give a shit less. He has a niche following, and this is on the venue, not the other bands. This should not have been a problem, but it was. I’m tired of hearing about “Moz”, his “mellow sound”, and his dramatic bullshit. I would have played as loud as possible, screw him

Anonymous
May 14, 2014 at 10:59 am

I don’t know much about Morrisey’s solo work, but I do know the Smiths. The man needs to calm down, he has a niche following. He is not Led Zeppelin, he is not the Beatles, he is not Springsteen. I could care less for any of his music, or that of the two bands he was trying to dominate. I’m just honestly tired of hearing about this jackass ego of his, because it seems to be far bigger and more far-reaching than his music. Was he not a small musician once himself? Go dance onstage in a tutu, and brag to everyone within earshot about the evils of consuming meat you dumb bastard

Really?
May 13, 2014 at 10:30 pm

What’s the talk that Moz is insignificant? He sold out the LA Sports Arena on Saturday!! Question should really be: did the venue tell Moz’s people that there would be two shows going on simultaneously? When it’s two loud bands playing at the same time, there isn’t an issue. When one band has many mellow parts as Morrissey does, then there definitely is a bleeding through in sound.

As for the twitter posts?? LAME! They deserve no response.

Ryan Spradlin
October 13, 2014 at 10:31 am

No, he’s totally relevant, just in the worst way possible.

andy
May 11, 2014 at 3:55 am

Am I the only one that think this makes Paws sound like a bunch of babies? “We stood up to Morrissey!” Grow the f#$k up.

Emerson
May 10, 2014 at 12:57 pm

I’ve seen a few shows at this venue and found it strange to be in the balcony of the larger room and simultaneously hearing the band in the smaller room also playing. The particulars of this event I’ll leave to youz guys but I personally found it annoying.

guitarescape
May 10, 2014 at 7:52 am

Well done for standing up against the arseholes of the music industry. Most people in the business are amazingly kind, generous and helpful – but the few who are dickheads take it to a whole new level. I was a tour manager in a previous life. A band I know supported Morrissey on tour and were told that not only did they need to have all their gear offstage and stay out of the way (a reasonable request) but they also had to clear out of their dressing room and be out of the building before M arrived at the venue. On the street trying to pack gear up 15 minutes after playing their last note. Bullshit.

GOD
May 9, 2014 at 10:31 pm

At the end of the night, Morrissey still has more money…
and I’m certain he brought in more attendees.

Anonymous
May 9, 2014 at 5:10 pm

Still waiting on the PAWS album review ;)

Anonymous
May 9, 2014 at 4:43 pm

Sorry, but Morrissey needs to tone down his ego. Just because he’s more well known than these other bands doesn’t mean he gets to be a douche. I don’t believe for one second it wasn’t him that wanted the other shows canceled. Anyways, anyone who’s been to the observatory knows there’s always 2 shows going on and they don’t really interfere with one another so this shouldn’t have been an issue to begin with.

andythecurefan
May 9, 2014 at 2:26 pm

I wholeheartedly believe this band’s story and it sucks that Moz has stooped so low. Don’t get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Moz’s work in The Smiths and most of his solo work, but his attitude and way as a person really lowers my respect for him.

Above The Law
May 9, 2014 at 2:18 pm

two mediocre bands attempting to ride the coattails of this minor “controversy”. when these two bands sell millions of albums, sell out decades of shows, and write actual hit songs worthy of evergreen hits — then you’ll get a pass to talk shit. yes, it was pretty dumb for Moz to have them cancel, but take your $$ and move along. running to twitter to barf out your bullshit banter just shows how much these two “artists” drive in the amateur lane. no one cares about We are Scientists and more importantly PAWS. good luck trying to stir up a pseudo controversy in an attempt to sell 2,000 copies of your record. by the end of today, these two artists will mean nothing – as they meant nothing two days ago.

GOD
May 9, 2014 at 10:32 pm

AMEN!!

ross
May 10, 2014 at 8:54 am

Moz has been riding on the coattails if a reputation of a band in which he was the second best member of – anyone who argues otherwise misses out the fact that johnny married was the heart and soul of the smiths when they weren’t committing sub-funereal dirges to vinyl – for at least 20-30 years. He’s pompous, arrogant with an overinflated sense of self worth. the decades of shows is a non sequitur, because his fans tend to be as narrow minded as him, using record sales as a mark of influence? Seriously? All hail Britney spears then.

The fact if the matter is that Morrissey has become, in the 21st century, a sad punchline. A sorry form of self parody who tarnishes his own legacy with every arsey move he makes. He is an irrelevance.

Evan
May 9, 2014 at 1:04 pm

we are scientists are disrespectful as fuck. when they write a song half as good as morrissey’s worst they can talk

Knoob
May 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm

Jesus. It’s not about who’s better than who, it’s about honouring your commitments and working out compromises IN ADVANCE, rather than throwing a wobbly and trying to use your 30-years-out-of-date reputation to get your own way, at everyone else’s cost.

sarahjeanrules
May 9, 2014 at 1:39 pm

I would say thinking you’re better than everyone else, and demanding the day of the show that all other shows in your vicinity be cancelled is pretty disrespectful.

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