And you really got a lot of the drive for collaboration out with your companion/context album David’s Town.
Absolutely. I think David’s Town was emblematic to the fact that we wrote all of the music before we wrote the story, so we had a lot of songs left over. When we were in the studio, it was like a marathon in the beginning and then a sprint towards the end. By the time we were doing vocals, we were doing them back to back over and over day in and day out trying to get as many songs done in a day as possible. So when I would blow my voice out, Mike [Haliechuk, a.k.a. 10,000 Marbles] and Jonah [Falco, a.k.a Mr. Jo] would kind of set up some instruments and start writing songs and those ended up being about half the songs on David’s Town, sort of like an improv jam session.
And we had a lot of other collaborations planned, there were a lot of people that were supposed to be on the record that weren’t on the record. I love collaborations, though. I think going forward, that would more be the future of Fucked Up. Less of me, more collaborations.
You mentioned in the promo trailer for David Comes To Life that this may be the last incarnation, or the ultimate point that you’ve reached as a band…
Definitely for this period of the band, I think so. I can’t imagine us doing another record in this form. Like, “where do we go as Fucked Up now?” This is our ultimate expression for the band as now. Going forward, I think this is going to be my last solo-singing album. I’m not going to leave the band (and, this is coming just right after this album is done, so who knows how I’m going to be feeling two months from now) but now I think everyone in the band is getting more and more interesting. The rest of the band just scored a silent film the other day, and I just went as someone in the audience, and I was blown away. I was like [laughs] “You guys are way better, I might be holding it back a little bit!”
No, but I always like the idea of collective bands. I know that’s such a Canadian stereotype cause like every band that comes from Canada is sort of a collective. But I like the idea of certain people in a band doing certain roles at certain times. I think maybe the next record I’d kind of like to see everyone else in the band work with other people — I’ll still be there, I’ll still do songs — but I’d like to see it become a little more band driven, a little less “my ego” driven. [laughs]
So the history of the idea/entity/character of “David” has been with the band for at least, 7 years?
Actually, all the characters on the album are names that we’ve used before on various things. Last April Fool’s, we did this fake lawsuit where we were being sued by this energy drink company and the lawyers and the various witnesses in the legal document that we designed for this were all characters that appear in this story. I think Octavio St. Laurent [the narrator character on David Comes To Life] Veronica Boisson was on there. Oh, and Octavio was also a fake roadie that we put in the liner notes at one time.
So these have always been names that we’ve been wanting to use one day, we just didn’t know what. So, when we wrote the song on Hidden Life called “David’s World” we started joking almost immediately that we were going to turn that song into a rock opera. And it just kind of kept going and going. Then we did Chemistry of Common Life and we wondered how we were going to follow it up. This album gave us a way to do something, by our standards, completely different than what we did with Chemistry of Common Life. It was different way of looking at songs — the songs on this record are the most personal songs that Mike and I have ever written because we could hide behind characters and pretend that we’re talking about David and Veronica when really we’re talking about my breaking with my girlfriend or something. Most of the time, Fucked Up has taken a third-person detached narrative. We always wrote about things we’re passionate about, but we’re always writing it in the sort of “we”, “collective”, “us vs. humanity” type of thing. This time, it was very much like “Here is what I am going through.”
Which is interesting, because I think there’s a sort of stigma with rock operas that they feel calculated and impersonal and too clever…
I think that’s a fair assessment. A couple years ago there was a rash of bands doing sort of concept records, writing as characters, things like that. With us, it just became an opportunity to reassess how we think about this band and whether or not we think this band is an extension of our own personalities or as sort of a larger exercise to things we’ve been contemplating.
I think this album gives us the opportunity to do things we’ve never been able to do which is talk about very specific historical times, the moments in those times, and how specifically they effect people. One of the problems with Fucked Up — and this has always been a conflict between Mike’s philosophy and my philosophy — is that Mike has always wanted the band to be sort of aloof and unobtainable and I’ve always wanted it to be the exact opposite. I want the band to be as open as possible and I want to share every aspect of this band with people, if they care. If they want, I’ll tell where the money comes from, how they relate with each other in the van, what it takes to get through tour with each other. That’s what I loved about punk that I never found in any other type of music is that — Punk was a time where a guy would go on stage and talk about how they were broke and been eating crap for the past 72 hours. It was about what you had, but it was about how honest you were with the audience.
I mean, there’s whole careers predicated on a band being aloof and cool…
Yeah, there are! The Residents are cool because they never told you anything about them. And Jandek is cool because no one ever knew anything about Jandek as a person. But the big difference for me is that those bands didn’t try to have a public persona in any real way, and we as a band do have a public persona. So, trying to be mysterious, you almost wind up playing a character.
Let’s touch on another aspect of David Comes To Life. Most of the album is written in rhymed couplet. Was that a choice you and Mike made, or something that you both just fell into?
I think we always just fall into it. I’ve always loved rhyming lyrics and I’ve always felt, especially when you’re writing something like this, that you owe it to tradition. There’s not a lot of rock opera records that don’t have rhyming lyrics. But also I think hardcore music — as much as people may be afraid to admit it — is rooted in pop music. I’ve always loved the convention of pop music with the rhymes and the short songs, and verse/chorus/verse structure. I’ve always thought those conventions were what makes pop music so awesome. So when it came time to do this record, we felt kind of bound to the traditions of rock opera and pop music, I guess.
And included in the packaged version of the album is a sort of funny, self-aware, meta poem to the reader explaining the album too, written very much in the meter of most of the album. It talks about how the listener has probably already heard the leak of the album, much to the dismay of the record label…
I think — you make a record, and its kind of like watching Lost. It doesn’t matter what kind of pretension you put in there. If people are into it, they’re into it. The thing about the record, you can just put it on and say “Oh yeah, there’s a guy screaming, there’s melodic guitars and stuff, it’s not really designed to take in the whole thing in one sitting” or anything like that. But at the same time, I’ve always loved Lost (even though it turned out to be such a disappointment). There’s just so many hidden things going on at any given time, and you want to have that stuff there for people who do want to explore more into the next level, to keep it interesting and exciting. I love when people go through records and break down all the metaphors and references and analogies in part because I love to know that there’s something more going on in that record than what’s initially there.